tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8472697.post1893747925575555308..comments2024-02-12T05:30:13.488-05:00Comments on Fanatic Cook: Should You Take Vitamin D2 Or Vitamin D3?Bixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06263963508785739508noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8472697.post-17783491400873957352010-02-10T05:20:04.889-05:002010-02-10T05:20:04.889-05:00TedHutchinson, your email was uncalled for. I exp...TedHutchinson, your email was uncalled for. I expect an apology.Bixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06263963508785739508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8472697.post-45275482290428815322010-02-09T14:36:28.508-05:002010-02-09T14:36:28.508-05:00TedHutchinson, You say the question of oral doses ...TedHutchinson, You say the question of oral doses of vitamin D and liver damage is hypothetical, is a hypothesis. I agree. The link between oral intake of vitamin D - or between blood levels of vitamin D, as 25(OH)D - and longer life, and pain, and cancer, and heart attacks are hypothetical as well.Bixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06263963508785739508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8472697.post-64865453682579045622010-02-08T07:57:17.172-05:002010-02-08T07:57:17.172-05:00The case against Ergocalciferol as a vitamin suppl...<a href="http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/4/694" rel="nofollow">The case against Ergocalciferol as a vitamin supplement</a> shows D3 is more effective lasts longer and is safer. <br />Holick's research did not raise levels to that at which human DNA works as it evolved to function. The level his people attained was just half the amount required to enable breast milk to flow replete with D3.<br />At natural levels, human bodies normally achieve living naked outdoors, 60~80ng/ml we know D2 makes the bode catabolize vitamin D at a faster rate. This means the more D2 you take the more your body tries to get rid of it. Just look at the <a href="http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/11/5387" rel="nofollow">FIG. 2. here</a> and you see the guys taking D2 were below the starting point after 15 days whereas those on D3 were still fine at the end of the month. <br />D2 is fine for rats and for plants but not for humans. <br />Sure getting Vitamin D3 from sun is fine BUT you cannot rely on UVB reaching the ground if you live under a flight path or in or near a town. Atmostpheric pollution absorbs/blocks UVB. <br /><a rel="nofollow">Look what happens in practice</a><br />Now who had the greatest amount of UV exposure?<br />Who had the highest 25(OH)D levels. <br /> Again those women only achieved, at best, levels half that required for optimum function. <br />In practice no one is going to get regular full body sun exposure if they live/work in normal society. We have to accept that supplements are the best way of attaining and maintaining optimum 25(OH)D levels between 60~80ng/ml. 150~200nmol/l. <br /><br />As we know that 10,000iu/daily is safe even in sunny countries the question of liver damage is simply hypothetical. It takes 40,000iu/daily for months and months to maybe raise 25(OH)D to levels that may cause harm. There is no evidence that at the amounts needed for most people (1000iu/for each 25lbs weight)any harm occurs. The evidence shows people with higher levels live longer, experience less infection, suffer less pain, have fewer heart attacks and less cancer incidence. I could go on listing the benefits that those with higher D3 levels enjoy.<br /> You cannot support the claims you have made anonymous.TedHutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13140097526458431747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8472697.post-21118300349920362522010-02-08T06:37:07.946-05:002010-02-08T06:37:07.946-05:00I read that high doses of D3 are harmful to the li...I read that high doses of D3 are harmful to the liver? Something about it being a fat that the liver has to metabolize? D2 might be better.<br /><br />We shouldn't have to take all these pills. We were meant to get D from sun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8472697.post-88979122378438915992010-01-21T17:02:17.157-05:002010-01-21T17:02:17.157-05:00I was wondering this. Great news for us vegans wh...I was wondering this. Great news for us vegans who don't eat fish or milk and can't take D3. Thanks for digging this up!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8472697.post-41057131661851599202010-01-21T15:25:26.956-05:002010-01-21T15:25:26.956-05:00I find it very strange people take this particular...I find it very strange people take this particular study seriously.<br /><br />At the end of the trial none of the participants had a 25(OH)D level above 30ng/ml they all remained vitamin D insufficient. <br />IMO it is unacceptable medical practice to knowingly give people an amount of a supplement that leaves them at such a low 25(OH)D level they remain unable to properly absorb calcium and well below the 58.8ng/ml level at which human breast milk flows replete with D3.<br />So too little vitamin D of any kind leaves you vitamin D deficient.<br />Is that such a remarkable finding?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.getcanadiandrugs.com/view_product.php?ProductID=3758" rel="nofollow"> BUY DISCOUNT Ostoforte 50,000 IU (also called Drisdol) ONLINE 50,000 IU (100 capsules) $168.99 USD</a><br /> or you can choose <br /><a href="http://store.hmglobalmall.com/bid3ch100caf1.html" rel="nofollow">Vitamin D3 $26.95 for 100 X 50,000iu capsules.</a><br />Who, but a fool, chooses to pay $169 when there's a better, cheaper alternative costing only $27? <br /><br /> I'm not sure of the point or the common sense, involved in trying to prove that a synthetic drug the body has to convert to D3 anyway may be as good as a natural cheaper product. <br /><br />While there are cases like this listed in Pubmed it is clear some people do not absorb nor are able to use Vitamin D2. <br /><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19488004?" rel="nofollow">We report a case of a 56-year-old woman who received supratherapeutic doses of ergocalciferol (150,000 IU orally daily) for 28 years without toxicity.</a> <br />A small trial of just 68 people is unlikely to pick up cases like the above. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.grassrootshealth.net/" rel="nofollow">Grassrootshealth Banner Graph</a> shows the amounts people have been taking and the 25(OH)D levels they have achieved. <br />6000~8000iu approx 1000iu/daily for each 25lbs you weigh generally produces a natural level at which the body is able to store a sufficient reserve of D3 to be effective at times of crisis. <br /><a rel="nofollow">This LEF study</a> is another example showing 5000iu/d is not sufficient to get most people above 50ng/ml.<br /><br />As Holick knows perfectly well human skin naturally makes 10,000iu/daily given a few minutes full body UVB exposure. It does that for a purpose. Only when researchers start using equivalent EFFECTIVE amounts of the same NATURAL Vitamin D3 biologically identical to the form human skin NATURALLY makes, will we see an improvement rates of chronic illness.TedHutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13140097526458431747noreply@blogger.com